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May 27, 2016 11:31 AM
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TEHRAN — More than 30 college students were arrested, interrogated and within 24 hours were each given 99 lashes for attending a graduation party that included men and women, Iran’s judiciary has announced.

The punishments, which were believed to be part of a wider crackdown by a judiciary dominated by hard-liners, were meted out in Qazvin, about 90 miles northwest of the capital, and were carried out in record time, Mizan, a news agency affiliated with the judiciary, reported on Thursday, citing the city’s prosecutor.

The Qazvin prosecutor, Esmail Sadeghi Niaraki, said that more than 30 female and male students — the women were described as “half naked,” meaning they were not wearing Islamic coverings, scarves and long coats — were arrested while “dancing and jubilating” after the authorities received a report that a party attended both by men and women was being held in a villa on the outskirts of Qazvin.

An arrest warrant was issued, he said, and the defendants were sentenced to 99 lashes after being questioned.

“We hope this will be a lesson for those who break Islamic norms in private places,” Mr. Niaraki said.

Mixed-gender parties, dancing and the consumption of alcohol are illegal in Iran, although they have become common over the past decade, especially in cities.

Lashings have been used regularly as a punishment since the Islamic revolution of 1979, but in recent years the practice has been used more as a threat than an actual punishment.

The arrests came a day after state news media reported that the authorities had raided parties in Kerman and at a “singles home” in Semnan, both provincial capitals.

In Kerman, 23 people were arrested, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported on Wednesday, although it did not provide details about whether anyone had been punished.

In Semnan, several “polluted singles houses were cleaned” and 97 people, including 10 women, were detained.

Col. Mojtaba Ashrafi of the Semnan police told the news agency that the raids were carried out over a 48-hour period, after the authorities monitored for several weeks 58 homes in which single people were believed to be living.

Living alone is not a crime in Iran, but Colonel Ashrafi told the agency that apartments occupied by single Iranians are more likely to be the site of criminal conduct, and he added that narcotics, alcohol and satellite receivers were found in some of the homes.

Iran’s hard-line judiciary began a crackdown on such behavior after the sweeping victory of a reformist and moderate coalition in the Tehran constituency in parliamentary elections in February.

President Hassan Rouhani has expressed hope that the presence of more allies in Parliament will allow his government to push for at least modest social changes and more personal freedoms.

The judiciary has responded by stepping up its own activities, and last week it announced the arrest of several so-called Instagram models. A blogger was arrested, and prominent actors and actresses, who have huge social media followings in Iran, were given warnings about adhering to Islamic dress code and “Islamic behavior.”

Judges in Iran have broad freedoms to interpret Islamic law, and according to the Constitution, the government and other institutions have no right to interfere with their decisions.

Source: NY Times

I don't even get surprised any more. I've never even heard anyone even try to give an explanation on why men and women have to be kept separate beyond religious tradition. Can't they give it a rest? They are on a losing battle against change.

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May 27, 2016 11:35 AM
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divide paragraphs or just post src.

well Iran is backward country , wouldn't be surprised by anything.

May 27, 2016 11:46 AM
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If they were partying and dancing together, good job.
May 27, 2016 11:51 AM
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Shaheen- said:
If they were partying and dancing together, good job.


Why would that be bad to be in the presence of the opposite sex or dancing?
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May 27, 2016 11:52 AM
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oh god what the fuck is wrong with them ? like okay you're muslim , but don't shove what you believe in down people's throat
May 27, 2016 11:54 AM
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traed said:
Shaheen- said:
If they were partying and dancing together, good job.


Why would that be bad to be in the presence of the opposite sex or dancing?


Because Islam says so. If all those students professed to be Muslims, and also living in the Islamic Republic of Iran then they're playing around with the foundations of their state. If they won't be punished, then I don't know who will.
May 27, 2016 12:01 PM
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>Iran

Of course, I am not even surprised
Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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May 27, 2016 12:02 PM
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Shaheen- said:
traed said:


Why would that be bad to be in the presence of the opposite sex or dancing?


Because Islam says so. If all those students professed to be Muslims, and also living in the Islamic Republic of Iran then they're playing around with the foundations of their state. If they won't be punished, then I don't know who will.

it doesn't matter what islam says
everyone is free to believe in whatever they want , even if a muslim person decides not to follow everything about their religion , then no one has the right to punish them for that
these people harmed nobody , this shit is unjustified
May 27, 2016 12:08 PM
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Comic_Sans said:
>Iran

Of course, I am not even surprised


was going to ask b4 , who is that Imam u like in ur avatar , looks like someone from Iran but forgot the name.

May 27, 2016 12:09 PM

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Shaheen- said:


Because Islam says so. If all those students professed to be Muslims, and also living in the Islamic Republic of Iran then they're playing around with the foundations of their state. If they won't be punished, then I don't know who will.

it doesn't matter what islam says
everyone is free to believe in whatever they want , even if a muslim person decides not to follow everything about their religion , then no one has the right to punish them for that
these people harmed nobody , this shit is unjustified


That would be true if it weren't an Islamic state. 'Freedom of religion' doesn't entail that. It simply means that you're allowed to believe in whatever set of beliefs you want. Sure, Islam is too lenient in regards to matters that concern only the individual (no punishment for watching porn, masturbating, self-harm, etc); but here, what you have, is a group of youngsters getting together and threatening the very basis their society is based upon. Islam doesn't tolerate that. If it did, then it wouldn't have banned fornication and adultery.

To the Westerners here, it seems too odd. It almost seems like, how can they live when they can't even mix freely with the opposite gender?. But it's quite easy. Social conditioning plus sublimation and you can create any type of society you want. With the right guidance, the libidinal energy can be guided to more productive channels. Which is why societies that practice the most restraint sexually, are also the most productive intellectually. But what about the Muslims? they're prudes yet still barbaric. Live around here and you'll see that they aren't prudes and they suffer quite different problems on the sexual front -- on the level of society, not just the individuals.
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AllenVonStein said:
Comic_Sans said:
>Iran

Of course, I am not even surprised


was going to ask b4 , who is that Imam u like in ur avatar , looks like someone from Iran but forgot the name.
Actually it's not an imam

It's Ayatollah Khomeini
Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained
May 27, 2016 12:27 PM

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Shaheen- said:
traed said:


Why would that be bad to be in the presence of the opposite sex or dancing?


Because Islam says so. If all those students professed to be Muslims, and also living in the Islamic Republic of Iran then they're playing around with the foundations of their state. If they won't be punished, then I don't know who will.


You are using circular reasoning. Also one does not choose where oneself is born.
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traed said:
Shaheen- said:


Because Islam says so. If all those students professed to be Muslims, and also living in the Islamic Republic of Iran then they're playing around with the foundations of their state. If they won't be punished, then I don't know who will.


You are using circular reasoning. Also one does not choose where oneself is born.


That's not circular reasoning unless you have a poor grasp of the situation.

But that absence of choice doesn't also justify that you fuck up the place where you're born. If I'm born in America and am by nature a psychopath with murderous tendencies (I should have been born in a jungle) then should America allow me to kill people? If it does, then say goodbye to it.

Also, you can choose to leave the place.
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Shaheen- said:
traed said:


You are using circular reasoning. Also one does not choose where oneself is born.


That's not circular reasoning unless you have a poor grasp of the situation.

But that absence of choice doesn't also justify that you fuck up the place where you're born. If I'm born in America and am by nature a psychopath with murderous tendencies (I should have been born in a jungle) then should America allow me to kill people? If it does, then say goodbye to it.

Also, you can choose to leave the place.

Yes it is

> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says it is the word of Allah
> The Quran says we must follow the word of Allah as by the Quran
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad
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traed said:
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That's not circular reasoning unless you have a poor grasp of the situation.

But that absence of choice doesn't also justify that you fuck up the place where you're born. If I'm born in America and am by nature a psychopath with murderous tendencies (I should have been born in a jungle) then should America allow me to kill people? If it does, then say goodbye to it.

Also, you can choose to leave the place.

Yes it is

> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says it is the word of Allah
> The Quran says we must follow the word of Allah as by the Quran
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad


The premise here is: You accept Islam.

The conclusion here is: You follow Islam.

The premise and conclusion are different. Pls improve your logical reasoning, it sucks.
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Shaheen- said:
traed said:

Yes it is

> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> The Quran says it is the word of Allah
> The Quran says we must follow the word of Allah as by the Quran
> The Quran says dancing with the opposite sex is bad
> Dancing with the opposite sex is bad


The premise here is: You accept Islam.

The conclusion here is: You follow Islam.

The premise and conclusion are different. Pls improve your logical reasoning, it sucks.


If someone is not following Islam they do not accept Islam
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shit hole is a shit hole - nothing new


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Iran is not a good place to live and Europe will end up like this if they don't get their house in order.


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The whole basis of Islam is for you to submit.
So they'll lash you as many times as they have to until you do so. Thus in Islam there really isn't wrong with this.
Even in Asian ethics they have the saying ""A nail that sticks out will be hammered back in".
May 27, 2016 2:30 PM

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backwards nation does backwards things
SWFC

We're all Wednesday arent we?
May 27, 2016 2:34 PM

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boy am I glad that America is separated between church and state.. oh God
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Lets see;

> Half Naked
> Alcohol
> Mixed Party
> Violates National Law
> Probable drug activities
> Disregard threat of getting caught and be lash

I'm not saying I approve of it., but if it's the law, it's the law. The individuals knew the consequences so it's either they learn to follow or better make a stand for it.
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To the Westerners here, it seems too odd. It almost seems like, how can they live when they can't even mix freely with the opposite gender?.
It sounds insane not odd.

In an alternate universe you're a commie supporter. The irony being that most communists today in the west despise religion but will do anything to get Islam as deeply rooted in the west as possible. Muslims of course love this because like you they're Stalins who want absolute restrictions on freedoms.

You disgust me, and no matter how many times you hide behind saying "this may sound odd to the west" is futile. You're succeeding only in showing the west the problem is the ideology of Islam.
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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.
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Maybe countries in this day and age stop acting like the medieval ages or that they're on Game of thrones.

We live in a new age, everyone connects with phones, business, internet. Ignorance is no longer a good enough excuse or "well its tradition" the world is more global then ever. Nations don't just operate by themselves anymore and the rest of the world doesn't sit back and watch abuses of human rights and say "welp its their culture" in fact thats the Wests main problem, too tolerant. If nations want to do such things that go against the ideals of this new world then they should all act as total isolationists. You want to be part of the bigger world prepare to adapt to modern values.

Here in the west people could still study and be religious and be part of a greater culture whilst respecting greater laws on humanity and it worked great until tolerance got too high and the extreme stuff started filtering back into the moderate practices we usually had.



You only need to search Lashes on google images to know how wrong it is for simply socializing and been young people or fuck been born homosexual.
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Masked_Mantis said:
You're succeeding only in showing the west the problem is the ideology of Islam.


Rather, the problem of the west (minority of them that is) is their idea of what Islam really is.

Spooks said:
If nations want to do such things that go against the ideals of this new world then they should all act as total isolationists. You want to be part of the bigger world prepare to adapt to modern values.


Please define for me what "ideals of the new world" or "modern values" really means for you. I have ideas about it and it's all good but are we in the same boat? I see minor conflicts between Islam and the West. But I'm feeling you're saying that to be able to fit with your "ideals of the new world" or "modern values" , we should align ourselves to the standards of the West, turn around from our traditions 360 degrees around because it doesn't fit with your "ideals of the new world" or "modern values".

People saying Islam is trying to impose itself to the West yet, it seems you're doing the same thing from the west. I'm not against adaptation but adaptation takes place slowly and takes time.

Besides, many women wear jeans and boots

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I didn't know they needed lashes :0 did a fire happen and burnt their eye lashes off?
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FiftyCentsArmy said:


we should align ourselves to the standards of the West, turn around from our traditions 360 degrees around because it doesn't fit with your "ideals of the new world" or "modern values".


Hmm you should word this better
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Masked_Mantis said:
You're succeeding only in showing the west the problem is the ideology of Islam.


Rather, the problem of the west (minority of them that is) is their idea of what Islam really is.
No the problem is what Shaheens idea of Islam is (the one he argues is the correct Islam), since he agrees with Irans Islamic state rules.

You also do approve of it since it's the law.
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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.
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Veneficia said:

Hmm you should word this better


Sorry, should have "standardize" my wordings too.

Masked_Mantis said:

You also do approve of it since it's the law.


Well, it's the law of the country. What gives? Unless I can violate a law and get away with it?
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Veneficia said:

Hmm you should word this better


Sorry, should have "standardize" my wordings too.


Well, it's the law of the country. What gives? Unless I can violate a law and get away with it?[/quote]
you said 360° when I think you meant 180°.. maybe?
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So their country wanted to make an example out of the kids. But the kids knew this was a possible punishment--- I really am not surprised, and not upset. It's their culture which revolves around their religion, the only thing is the number of lashes imo is high, and I would be surprised if the person makes it pass 30. But I'm not clear on if the 99 was for the group or for every individual.
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Veneficia said:

you said 360° when I think you meant 180°.. maybe?


Oh, thank you. Silly me. Here's a cookie. *no sarcasm.
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Veneficia said:

Hmm you should word this better


Sorry, should have "standardize" my wordings too.

Masked_Mantis said:

You also do approve of it since it's the law.


Well, it's the law of the country. What gives? Unless I can violate a law and get away with it?
So they disregard the threat of getting lashed in public for drinking alcohol and having a social gathering.

That's only a law in Islam, making Islam not fit in anywhere where people want to socialise, drink and be free.

It's a batshit insane, oppressive law that is only in Islam. You and Shaheen approve of it for that reason of course.
You both think that law is good because of Islam and it's suppression of society, unless you're completely fine with any country making up whatever law they want and demanding obedience, but I'm certain you're just not going to critique this just because it's an Islamic law. It takes a special someone to not critique lashes for wanting to party. This kind of insanity only happens in Islam.
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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.
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Masked_Mantis said:
So they disregard the threat of getting lashed in public for drinking alcohol and having a social gathering.


Be honest, the only only possible reasons why you're complaining are because:

a. It's legal in your country
b. It's a Muslim country

I see it not entirely about Islam oppression of freedom to drink alcohol half naked like liberal American teens are doing resulting to accidental sexcapades and teenage pregnancy etc but citizens violating the law.

Tell me, forget Islam, forget Iran, if an individual violates the law, what do you do? FREE-THEM?
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Shaheen- said:
If they were partying and dancing together, good job.


Why would that be bad to be in the presence of the opposite sex or dancing?


Time after time you continue to display your inability to understand the concept of cultural and social norms.

Why aren't you like me?!?! there is obviously something wrong with you if you reason differently !!


Please, the world does not revolve around you , not everyone is obligated to reason like you nor is your way of seeing things should be considered "the enlightened way".

But it is because western society is progressive !!

Low birth rates, declining economies, never ending social issues stemming from too much liberal indoctrination (that third bathroom and trans thread gave me cancer btw) and finnaly resorting to import foreigners to do your jobs because your youth is dying.

Meanwhile, Iran became one of the few countries in the ME to establish a somewhat stable economy, stable foreign relations and its LITERALLY the only country in the ME who manged to affect reform after their revolution against the previous system, not to mention the speed in which they managed to utilise nuclear energy ... all this in the span of what , 40 years ?

Their country have been through a lot and it's not easy to establish and maintain a stable country after a revolution while LITERALLY the whole world is fighting you and hindering your progress.

Maybe try to understand why such strict constraints exist and why is it important for them to maintain such social constructs and norms in the first place ... Yes, you have a lot of homework to do i'm afraid.

I hope that's progressive enough for you, then again, it depends on what your definition of "progressive" is and i'm sure we have entirely different "definitions".

@OP: that is absolutely horrifying, this country has some rules that would not be compatible with my way of thinking nor is it compatible with the life style that i've chosen for myself, 11/10 would NOT visit ... fucking Safran is not worth that much, even though its an amazing spice :/ ...
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Masked_Mantis said:
So they disregard the threat of getting lashed in public for drinking alcohol and having a social gathering.


Be honest, the only only possible reasons why you're complaining are because:

a. It's legal in your country
b. It's a Muslim country

I see it not entirely about Islam oppression of freedom to drink alcohol half naked like liberal American teens are doing resulting to accidental sexcapades and teenage pregnancy etc but citizens violating the law.

Tell me, forget Islam, forget Iran, if an individual violates the law, what do you do? FREE-THEM?
You're too biased for Islam at this point to see sense.

A law that oppresses others right to drink because the country for some reason see parties as an immoral act is shit and I won't support it.

It's not black and white should someone breaking the law be arrested. Are you aware of how bad laws have been? created by both bad and stupid people?

You're purposely avoiding scrutiny by saying forget Islam and Iran because you know you approve of these laws. One of the countries with the most abysmal human rights laws in the world you're supporting just because of some stupid ideal that if authority states something is illegal and sets punishments that makes it correct.

That's why Shaheen proves the problem to be Islam when he supports a pure Islamic state like Iran.
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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Lets see;

> Half Naked
> Alcohol
> Mixed Party
> Violates National Law
> Probable drug activities
> Disregard threat of getting caught and be lash

I'm not saying I approve of it., but if it's the law, it's the law. The individuals knew the consequences so it's either they learn to follow or better make a stand for it.


Where are you getting half naked from? Why assume drugs? Also just because something is a law doesn't mean it will always be enforced. There are tons of laws out there in various countries no one punishes.

Spooks said:
Maybe countries in this day and age stop acting like the medieval ages or that they're on Game of thrones.

We live in a new age, everyone connects with phones, business, internet. Ignorance is no longer a good enough excuse or "well its tradition" the world is more global then ever. Nations don't just operate by themselves anymore and the rest of the world doesn't sit back and watch abuses of human rights and say "welp its their culture" in fact thats the Wests main problem, too tolerant. If nations want to do such things that go against the ideals of this new world then they should all act as total isolationists. You want to be part of the bigger world prepare to adapt to modern values.

Here in the west people could still study and be religious and be part of a greater culture whilst respecting greater laws on humanity and it worked great until tolerance got too high and the extreme stuff started filtering back into the moderate practices we usually had.

There is something some Anarchists advocate known as Voluntary Association. Basically any individual is free to escape the rules of the group. So it's total isolation from different viewpoints.
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ZA_WAYD said:
Please, the world does not revolve around you , not everyone is obligated to reason like you nor is your way of seeing things should be considered "the enlightened way".

Not everyone is obligated to tolerate and encourage illogical barbarism.
Low birth rates, declining economies, never ending social issues stemming from too much liberal indoctrination (that third bathroom and trans thread gave me cancer btw) and finnaly resorting to import foreigners to do your jobs because your youth is dying.

Lower birth rates is the result of economic prosperity. All first world countries have lower rates than third world. High birth rates is due to high death rates.

Meanwhile, Iran became one of the few countries in the ME to establish a somewhat stable economy, stable foreign relations and its LITERALLY the only country in the ME who manged to affect reform after their revolution against the previous system, not to mention the speed in which they managed to utilise nuclear energy ... all this in the span of what , 40 years ?

Their country have been through a lot and it's not easy to establish and maintain a stable country after a revolution while LITERALLY the whole world is fighting you and hindering your progress.

Let me guess... you're from Iran?

Maybe try to understand why such strict constraints exist and why is it important for them to maintain such social constructs and norms in the first place ... Yes, you have a lot of homework to do i'm afraid.

There is no reason but tradition. Which is not a logically valid reason. Burden of proof that this is right is on you not me. If you make a claim that a cultures actions are right you have to say why it is right not just trying to rely on subjectivism.

I hope that's progressive enough for you, then again, it depends on what your definition of "progressive" is and i'm sure we have entirely different "definitions".

Progress means to not cling to tradition without logical reason. It means to evolve as a nation
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Masked_Mantis said:
You're too biased for Islam at this point to see sense.


How? I f*ck hate Daesh. I'm against the burka but not the hijab. Death for apostasy is baseless for me.

Masked_Mantis said:
A law that oppresses others right to drink because the country for some reason see parties as an immoral act is shit and I won't support it.


You speak like a SJW now. Why do they give a f*ck about your opinion? You're neither a Muslim nor Iranian.

Masked_Mantis said:
It's not black and white should someone breaking the law be arrested. Are you aware of how bad laws have been? created by both bad and stupid people?


There are stupid laws but most laws are made to prevent people from doing stupid things.

traed said:
Where are you getting half naked from? Why assume drugs?


The Qazvin prosecutor, Esmail Sadeghi Niaraki, said that more than 30 female and male students — the women were described as “half naked,” meaning they were not wearing Islamic coverings, scarves and long coats


Living alone is not a crime in Iran, but Colonel Ashrafi told the agency that apartments occupied by single Iranians are more likely to be the site of criminal conduct, and he added that narcotics, alcohol and satellite receivers were found in some of the homes.


Somebody's not reading.



traed said:
Also just because something is a law doesn't mean it will always be enforced. There are tons of laws out there in various countries no one punishes.


W-wait, wait...!!!! What? Your social justice system has problems. I thought my country is unlike US... damn...
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traed said:
ZA_WAYD said:
Please, the world does not revolve around you , not everyone is obligated to reason like you nor is your way of seeing things should be considered "the enlightened way".

Not everyone is obligated to tolerate and encourage illogical barbarism.

What does this even mean ?
No one is obligating anyone to tolerate anything ... the individuals in that article are perfectly entitled to leave if they wish to do so.
Meanwhile, Iran became one of the few countries in the ME to establish a somewhat stable economy, stable foreign relations and its LITERALLY the only country in the ME who manged to affect reform after their revolution against the previous system, not to mention the speed in which they managed to utilise nuclear energy ... all this in the span of what , 40 years ?

Their country have been through a lot and it's not easy to establish and maintain a stable country after a revolution while LITERALLY the whole world is fighting you and hindering your progress.

Let me guess... you're from Iran?

Someone more informed than you about a country's history doesn't necessarily have to be from said country .... some people actually read global news.
And one should always be well informed about a topic before proceeding to form an opinion on it then sharing it online because otherwise, i would just be propagating ignorance like a fool.

And in case you "conveniently" overlooked it to demonstrate your Sherlock Holmes tier powers of deduction
@OP: that is absolutely horrifying, this country has some rules that would not be compatible with my way of thinking nor is it compatible with the life style that i've chosen for myself, 11/10 would NOT visit ... fucking Safran is not worth that much, even though its an amazing spice :/ ...


Maybe try to understand why such strict constraints exist and why is it important for them to maintain such social constructs and norms in the first place ... Yes, you have a lot of homework to do i'm afraid.

There is no reason but tradition. Which is not a logically valid reason. Burden of proof that this is right is on you not me. If you make a claim that a cultures actions are right you have to say why it is right not just trying to rely on subjectivism.

Did you not read what i said about the importance of maintaining the social fabric?
I hope that's progressive enough for you, then again, it depends on what your definition of "progressive" is and i'm sure we have entirely different "definitions".

Progress means to not cling to tradition without logical reason. It means to evolve as a nation

Thanks for sharing your "opinion" , but i don't agree with you.
Letting go of tradition for the sole reason of appearing "progressive" is the definition of backwards thinking and the deconstruction of western society is living proof of that.

Keep in mind that, this is not about wining a pointless online argument, this is an actual opportunity for you to learn something new so "commenting" with the same narrow minded rhetoric many times wont get you anywhere.

And please at least "try" to ad something of substance next time you reply, its extremely aggravating to adresse the same points over and over again ...

In any case, Good night for now~~
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
traed said:
Where are you getting half naked from? Why assume drugs?


The Qazvin prosecutor, Esmail Sadeghi Niaraki, said that more than 30 female and male students — the women were described as “half naked,” meaning they were not wearing Islamic coverings, scarves and long coats


Living alone is not a crime in Iran, but Colonel Ashrafi told the agency that apartments occupied by single Iranians are more likely to be the site of criminal conduct, and he added that narcotics, alcohol and satellite receivers were found in some of the homes.


Somebody's not reading.

Ehh wouldnt that be two thirds naked?

FiftyCentsArmy said:
traed said:
Also just because something is a law doesn't mean it will always be enforced. There are tons of laws out there in various countries no one punishes.


W-wait, wait...!!!! What? Your social justice system has problems. I thought my country is unlike US... damn...

I mean there are some old laws people stopped punishing. They mostly are silly local laws that are quite strange and pointless. They only never were removed becaus of time and effort.
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-ridiculous-law-in-every-state-2014-2
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>The religion of peace...
May 27, 2016 7:37 PM

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ZA_WAYD said:

What does this even mean ?
No one is obligating anyone to tolerate anything ... the individuals in that article are perfectly entitled to leave if they wish to do so.

It's not that easy to leave a country even for people in first world countries. There are legal, financial, and social restraints.
Someone more informed than you about a country's history doesn't necessarily have to be from said country .... some people actually read global news.
And one should always be well informed about a topic before proceeding to form an opinion on it then sharing it online because otherwise, i would just be propagating ignorance like a fool.

And in case you "conveniently" overlooked it to demonstrate your Sherlock Holmes tier powers of deduction
@OP: that is absolutely horrifying, this country has some rules that would not be compatible with my way of thinking nor is it compatible with the life style that i've chosen for myself, 11/10 would NOT visit ... fucking Safran is not worth that much, even though its an amazing spice :/ ...

Nothing you said even relates to anything though

That last part came off as sarcastic sounding after everything else you said so I left it out.

Did you not read what i said about the importance of maintaining the social fabric?

Social fabric is not a valid reason. You cant change everything over night, yes, but gradual changes don't cause problems. Also you contradicted yourself while you were boasting about them maintaining themselves having a revolution. What do you think that is? Change.

Thanks for sharing your "opinion" , but i don't agree with you.
Letting go of tradition for the sole reason of appearing "progressive" is the definition of backwards thinking and the deconstruction of western society is living proof of that.

You're choosing to interpret that how you wish. You're wrong in how you are twisting things. I said nothing of progress for no reason. I said there should be reasons behind things that give liberty and freedoms to decent people.

Keep in mind that, this is not about wining a pointless online argument, this is an actual opportunity for you to learn something new so "commenting" with the same narrow minded rhetoric many times wont get you anywhere.

You're distracting away from the topic with unrelated things.

And please at least "try" to ad something of substance next time you reply, its extremely aggravating to adresse the same points over and over again ...

In any case, Good night for now~~


You haven't added anything. In fact your responses are so genericly similar to things genio/trance/shaheen has said I now know these are responses you people are taught to give rather than actually questioning if it is right in the first place.
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they do not care about religion, they just care to party
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skitzo said:
they do not care about religion, they just care to party

Damn right they doyes I know these videos have added music and it's Sufi dancers.

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traed said:


If someone is not following Islam they do not accept Islam


Then don't profess to be Muslim. The legality of your religion is in your documents. People know you're a Muslim if you claim to be one. Not if you're practicing or not.

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Shaheen- said:
To the Westerners here, it seems too odd. It almost seems like, how can they live when they can't even mix freely with the opposite gender?.
It sounds insane not odd.

In an alternate universe you're a commie supporter. The irony being that most communists today in the west despise religion but will do anything to get Islam as deeply rooted in the west as possible. Muslims of course love this because like you they're Stalins who want absolute restrictions on freedoms.

You disgust me, and no matter how many times you hide behind saying "this may sound odd to the west" is futile. You're succeeding only in showing the west the problem is the ideology of Islam.


First of all, I don't support theocracy; especially in this age. But if a country is a theocracy, then it is only sensible that it should follow its own laws.

If that line of reasoning you cannot comprehend, then the problem is with you.
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traed said:

Ehh wouldnt that be two thirds naked?


That's beyond half naked then. Lash them some more! LOL ;p

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I mean there are some old laws people stopped punishing. They mostly are silly local laws that are quite strange and pointless. They only never were removed because of time and effort.


Then trash it. Such laws are pointless if not implement.
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FiftyCentsArmy said:
That's beyond half naked then. Lash them some more! LOL ;p

No wait I said that wrong. I meant that would be less than one third naked.

Shaheen- said:

Then don't profess to be Muslim. The legality of your religion is in your documents. People know you're a Muslim if you claim to be one. Not if you're practicing or not.


Profession to not be a Muslim in an Islamic country can be social suicide if not literal suicide. It's not exactly easy.

Iran seems better than some other ME countries at persecuting Non Muslims less at least.
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May 27, 2016 10:51 PM

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traed said:

Shaheen- said:

Then don't profess to be Muslim. The legality of your religion is in your documents. People know you're a Muslim if you claim to be one. Not if you're practicing or not.


Profession to not be a Muslim in an Islamic country can be social suicide if not literal suicide. It's not exactly easy.

Iran seems better than some other ME countries at persecuting Non Muslims less at least.


It's only social suicide if you live in a village.
May 27, 2016 11:28 PM

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Shaheen- said:

It's only social suicide if you live in a village.


True especially if they don't see you doing the same thing as they are in a daily basis eg praying in the mosque.
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