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Dec 25, 2013 6:39 AM
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Kaiki likely would have realized this easily if he was acting like himself. But his obvious feelings for Senjougahara made him focus on that aspect and blinded him.


There aren't any "obvious" feelings either. It is hinted that he's fond of her but he sees her as a child, and it's a far stretch thinking that a 30 old fake villain hero is in love with that kid.


That's what I meant. Feelings does not have to mean love in a romantic sense, you know. Kaiki is doing this for Senjougahara, he's going against his entire code because he cares for her in some sense. He even tried to deceive himself in the beginning of this arc by acting like he didn't want to help.

Kaiki's trying to be something he's not here, just like the first time he tried to help Senjougahara, and in doing so it's why he'll fail. He's a conman, not a hero.
Dec 25, 2013 7:27 PM

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FUUUUUU

Can't wait for next ep
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Dec 26, 2013 10:17 AM

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GoGo_Dominatrix said:
Is it just me, or is there a very strong possibility that Kaiki is/was in love with Senjougahara?

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I believe that Kaiki is the man from the cult who molested Senjougahara, since she looked so much like his former GF...
He's wracked with guilt over it, and it explaines her intense anger. Of course he was trying to save her from the 'bad mother' all along...

The plots in this show are Epic!
Dec 26, 2013 10:34 AM

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5Cats said:
GoGo_Dominatrix said:
Is it just me, or is there a very strong possibility that Kaiki is/was in love with Senjougahara?

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I believe that Kaiki is the man from the cult who molested Senjougahara, since she looked so much like his former GF...
He's wracked with guilt over it, and it explaines her intense anger. Of course he was trying to save her from the 'bad mother' all along...

The plots in this show are Epic!

What the hell are you talking about? that never happened.
Dec 26, 2013 10:36 AM

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5Cats said:
GoGo_Dominatrix said:
Is it just me, or is there a very strong possibility that Kaiki is/was in love with Senjougahara?

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I believe that Kaiki is the man from the cult who molested Senjougahara, since she looked so much like his former GF...
He's wracked with guilt over it, and it explaines her intense anger. Of course he was trying to save her from the 'bad mother' all along...

The plots in this show are Epic!
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Dec 26, 2013 10:39 AM

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I think that person who had been following Kaiki was Nadeko all the time, so she knows that Kaiki met with Senshougahara
Who is Rouka Numachi? Why is she connected with Kanbaru?
That city sure is strange, even without the presence of Kiss-Shot it seem to attract Kaiis, what is planning Gaen? and why Ougi is againts Gaen?
Dec 26, 2013 2:22 PM

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if kaiki has actually been a good guy the whole time and he dies by nadeko i'll just be T____T wish him good luck. that cliffhanger ending was well done!
Dec 26, 2013 5:14 PM

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I have gained so much fandom for Kaiki these last episodes... So sad to see it end soon, but looking forward to Kizumonogatari movie, and hopefully future adaptations. I hope Kaiki doesn't die, and that stuff bout Ougi Oshino looks pretty interesting
Dec 26, 2013 10:50 PM

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There's no way in hell Kaiki is going to die.

Great episode once again. Looking forward to see Kaiki get out of the messy situation he's in right now.
Dec 27, 2013 7:59 AM

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Shit, what a chiffhanger :O

No way in hell I'm going to believe that this simple lie was all that Kaiki could come up with.
Dec 27, 2013 10:40 AM

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Damn that ending. Nadeko is not messing around. Great episode.
Dec 27, 2013 12:30 PM
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Always-Hungry said:
No way in hell I'm going to believe that this simple lie was all that Kaiki could come up with.

Same here.
Dec 27, 2013 3:32 PM
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Ohohoh this is gonna be good :D
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Dec 27, 2013 10:48 PM

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Well waiting for 26 to get subbed. :(
Dec 28, 2013 12:11 AM

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Yea, I'm pretty sure there's more to Kaiki's blatant lie than that since we're all aware of his cunning personality. Can't wait to find out in the next episode, please sub faster, I'm running out of places to slit my wrist.
Dec 28, 2013 7:33 PM
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Oh shit kaiki just might die
Dec 28, 2013 9:26 PM

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Phone call scene was the best scene


and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'|
Jan 8, 2014 1:02 AM

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Damn, that was a crazy episode. I had no idea what to expect at the end there, but shit just got real.
Jan 8, 2014 5:04 AM

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Oh, the storm is coming
Kaiki ganbatte!!
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Jan 9, 2014 2:15 AM

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Kaiki saving Senjougahara all the time was really a surprise to me while talking to Ohnonoki

Poor Kaiki he's going on a showdown with Nadeko now
Wishes not coming true by saying it out loud to teach her was deep
Jan 19, 2014 12:19 PM

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Nice episode and well with the next episode being the last I really wonder what that one has to offer!
Jan 25, 2014 8:07 AM

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Oh! SHIT!! Nadeko yandere smile detected!

The conversation with Ononoki was interesting. After she basically said he was a nice guy trying to help that could actually manage he answer positive but with an ironic tone like he wanted to dismiss her words with irony. But Senjougahara also said "You never lied to me". So maybe Senjougahara hates him for failing to help and making a mess of her family but she knows he wasn't evil?(if it is true that he had good intentions)
On the other hand, he is telling this story, so maybe he is just putting lies to us to make us quetions whether his an asshole or not.

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HOLY SHIT HE"S FUCKED

But nah, this is probably part of his plan. His lie is actually so poorly thought out that it makes him seem very ignorant of the situation. Obviously two vampires aren't going to die in a traffic accident, Kaiki wouldn't be so dumb as to overlook that.


You say that but at the same time he wasn't smart enough to think that the letter in his hotel room could have been put by sliding it under the door.
That really surprised me to be honest. At the moment i thought "How could he not think that?".
Maybe he isn't actually all that intelligent?
Also he considers Nadeko a complete idiot. So maybe he thought she is so stupid to believe even that?

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Well, considering being stabbed through the heart and the rest of his body multiple times by Nadeko on multiple occasions didn't kill Araragi, the lie that he died by a freaking car accident seemed farfetched...not to mention the immortal vampire Shinobu who's been through just as worse situations, if not maybe more. They've never had a god kill them for real before; that's only because Nadeko chose not to, and instead wait.

The first way I can think Kaiki can get out of this seemingly dire situation, is if he adds something like: "--is what my wish is for, therefore they cannot die yet." But then that would only apply to car accidents. The remaining way I can think of is that some character comes in to intervene and save the day...but that sounds lame...unless the writers used it efficiently. That's just my 2 cents.


Nope. There are ways to actually lie about Araraki getting killed in a traffic accident with Senjougahara but that depends for what reason Nadeko didn't believe him. If it's because she thinks that Araraki can't be killed by such a thing then he can fix it.
He can simply say Senjougahara died and Araraki was badly hurt and normally he should have healed but after seeing Senjougahara's dead body for some reason his wounds wouldn't heal. It was like he wanted to die with her. The vampire just couldn't exist without Araraki and disappeared too.
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Jan 25, 2014 8:45 AM

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Nadeko did not believe Kaiki, cause she dose not trust any1 & has never trusted any1 in her entire life, it was say'd in the anime, that she dose not trust any1, so she wont believe any1 if they talk about something as big as this, her side that dose not trust people makes up for her dumb side what would have fallen for hes trick with out it
Feb 8, 2014 10:46 PM

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Oh crap, looks like Kaiki failed... wonder how he and the gang'll get out of this one now. I feel it's gotten a lot more likely this arc will end with at least one major character dead. Hopefully I'm wrong... I've already gotten to like even Kaiki himself as a character.

Kaiki... from cynical ex-villain to cynical anti-hero? Somehow, I don't think the conversation he had with Ononoki could be simply taken at face value. Or a few other conversations too, for tha matter He said so himself at the start of the arc...

On to the finale!
Feb 15, 2014 8:24 AM

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Bitch didn't buy it.
Mar 2, 2014 12:37 AM

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I knew she wouldn't buy it. It was a stupid plan to begin with anyway... just think about it. How can a traffic accident kill Durararagi? He is almost immortal, you fool!
Mar 5, 2014 7:13 AM
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Tengoku_no_hakai said:
I knew she wouldn't buy it. It was a stupid plan to begin with anyway... just think about it. How can a traffic accident kill Durararagi? He is almost immortal, you fool!

You forget that nadeko is retarded.
Mar 8, 2014 6:31 PM

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Sengoku you damn twat. I hope Kaiki got something up his sleeve!!!
Apr 7, 2014 7:14 PM

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of course he has, he's a professional swindler, after all
Apr 17, 2014 8:36 PM

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Nadeko for you, motherfuckers. She ain't gonna be fooled. Or will she? Though, that reaction at the end was epic. The way she said it was like she was acting all along and tested him. Dat devilish smile...
Seeing her getting drunk was funny :P

Kaiki discussion with Ononoki was really interresting. It's hard to truly understand Kaiki and his intention, even if he's the narrator. Did his scams worked on Sengouhara or did his tentative of rescue for her failed? What is he really trying to achieve? What does he really believe in? This arc showed us a really compassionate side of him even if he was denying it. He did this all for free for Sengouhara, he had no obligation. The job was really risky and it would have been more rewarding if he accepted the 3 millions and retired.

I just had a thought right now. What if Kaiki was just a distraction from the beginning? He seem to have gained a lot of attention, that could have made Sengouhara, Araragi and Hanekawa way more loose. Also, there is still that discussion at the end of Onimonogatari that still echoes in my head. Why did Araragi said that he would told to Ougi that Hachikuji achieved the Nirvana and not tell the others? Is it part of the plan (his plan?) or is it a premise to another story? I guess all will be clear next episode :P
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May 7, 2014 4:00 PM

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shiet uh, he got found out
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May 14, 2014 12:45 AM

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Ougi really creeps me out. When Kaiki said that Meme didn't have a niece, I was like oh shit. I really wonder what her role is going to be in this series...

Also, his plan didn't work~ (though there is probably a back up)
Jun 4, 2014 7:13 AM

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As Expected from hanekawa .. the way she talks.. like she knows everything ... though , She's too conscious about having that way ... so we'll just leave it with "She only knows what she knows" way of her acting the current situation by a cleaver-like observation...
So.. That Closet's interiors was described as something "insignificant"... sounds fishy..
He's confidence about the situation is commendable . He's like predicting a thing from nothing. I think about 90% he will succeed but I don't know about that 10% ... It's still reachable ..
but "Changes" happens everyday , every minute , everytime...
Kaiki.. even though you're such a swindling bastard.. and a liar.... I Still respect and recognizes you as a Good man with intentions that mostly out of failures but have a "pride" on others...
Mission starts!! Deception begins!!
*Facepalms* damn... I got 50/50 chances on kaiki's chances of winning and it turns out real not okay...
so, She's not so stupid to realize his intentions or she is so stupid that he realized that she was deceive by a so simple plan!? ehhh... DAMN.. NOW WHAT!? and...
He's not so smart as we think he is ..or.. He is too smart to believe thatx2 his simple plan will work because of the latter that she is so stupid to not realize it!?... but... well.. I just check it out the NEXT EPISODE!!!
Well any "TOO MUCH" is bad ...
Failed!?... Maybe!! BIG CLIFFHANGER.
WOAH.. THAT ENDING.... SHIT.
Nice episode!!!
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Jul 15, 2014 2:32 PM

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Oh shit, Kaiki you better have a backup plan for this. You can't die now!
Aug 22, 2014 6:41 AM
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Wowowow. It's amusing how the name Numachi Rouka, that Kaiki mentioned, would be very important in Hanamonogatari :o
Aug 26, 2014 12:36 PM

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great episode

but i really don't like Senjougahara this arc... the way she acts.. talks.. the things she's willing to do or suggests etc.

absolutely dislikable

a shame.. i actually really really liked the character before all this
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@Romeo what's so "dislikable" about being concerned about your loved one to the point of doing literally anything? Araragi is the most precious thing in her life atm, after all. Still hung up over that prostitution thingy? Come on.

Oh god, u don goofed Kaiki.

Stray observation: seems like he lied a bit more than usual this episode, and ironically revealed us a lot more about him himself as a result. And his line about words always being lies regardless of the truth in one's feelings seemed more directed at him and the nature of his relationship with Gahara than at Nadeko herself.
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Oct 1, 2014 5:15 AM

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Dat last line was way too scary!!! How the hell did Nadeko realize it?! I smell Gaen's hand in this or that of the fake niece's.
Ononoki's cameo was... interesting, though it's a bit hard for me to think of Kaiki as one of the good guys so I'm going to ignore it for now.

Haters(that's me btw) gonna hate, hate... :)
Oct 5, 2014 12:25 PM
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Why is the numbering off?? There should only be 23 episodes for Monogatari Series Second Season, right? Or am I missing something here?

He has a plan within that plan, though I don't know what. Because I don't believe for one second that Araragi and company would die from a traffic accident. -_- So he's making her think she's got the upper hand and then Shinobu uppercuts her! *ahem* I mean Kaiki will reveal his true plan along those lines.
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Why is the numbering off?? There should only be 23 episodes for Monogatari Series Second Season, right? Or am I missing something here?

He has a plan within that plan, though I don't know what. Because I don't believe for one second that Araragi and company would die from a traffic accident. -_- So he's making her think she's got the upper hand and then Shinobu uppercuts her! *ahem* I mean Kaiki will reveal his true plan along those lines.


uh its 26 episodes lols
Dec 1, 2014 10:28 AM

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I don't think it worked
Jan 9, 2015 3:02 PM

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Damn insight on Kaiki and his actual feelings.
Mar 13, 2015 8:09 AM

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Interesting episode, the showdown Kaiki misfires, showing how Nadeko is anything but stupid.
Storytelling also interesting because peering into the past of Kaiki and in his feelings.
Drawings and animations good.
Mar 30, 2015 9:20 PM

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As soon as he showed up to the shrine at the end, I got incredibly nervous.

Damn. Next episode. Let's see how it ends.
Apr 4, 2015 8:33 AM

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I think kaiki intended her to catch onto it. A vampire died in a car crash? Nobody is gonna believe that i honestly think hes a few steps ahead of what we think he is.
Jul 15, 2015 7:51 PM

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holy fuck Nadeko! She knows all!
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Aug 18, 2015 1:18 PM

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PLOT TWIST she basically already knew. Can't wait to see what happens next episode.
Aug 26, 2015 12:45 PM

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lol, the plan failed.

2/5
Sep 6, 2015 10:30 AM

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Oh, poor Kaiki. Hope he survives because I started to really like him in this arc
Oct 4, 2015 4:34 PM

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You can't trust words. For they will dilute the meaning of the wish. Foolish Kaiki. Ep 25.

Plot: Hanekawa and Kaki talk for a bit and Kaiki questions her on how she views Nadeko. But now the promised day has come. Kaiki will deceive Nadeko. After one last talk with Hitagi, Kaiki also meets with Yotsugi who reminds him that he has tried such things before and failed. And low and behold, he fails once more.

Character: Hanekawa has gained a bit more knowledge on things considering how she figured out Nadeko.

Kaiki's past dealings with Hitagi's family brings more things to light such as him sabotaging and destroying the cult her mother had joined. But as Yotsugi pointed out, he failed even in that. It shows that whatever Kaiki's intentions, he seems to fail at the big moment. Or at least the ones he put the most vigor into. First for Hitagi who he thought was a fragile but amazing existence (much like others apparently) and now here (ironically concerning Hitagi as well).

It wouldn't surprise me that he had something with Kanbaru's mother and failed there as well. Actually that hit and run may have something more to it as well.

Animation/sound: Okay I was spoiled on the fact that Kaiki failed. Heck I expected him to fail since the lie was kinda...lame. But seeing him try to execute it...it really failed. No one would be fooled by that lie. Nadeko was not a special case, even with her deranged thinking (IMHO).

But when he told it and all was silent, my pulse was pounding. And then...Nadeko rejected it. Oh crap.

5/5. That friggin cliffhanger.


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